Tomatoes, as so many people have found out, are very much fun to grow - there's no limit
to the number of varieties available, and they are nutritious and can be used in many
ways. I never cared that much for tomatoes until I started growing heirlooms, but I've
never looked back since!
To make it easier to communicate with customers, I started a yahoo list,
Lisa's Tomato Club. While it's
meant to make it easier to provide information on pickups, etc. to customers, it's
open to anyone in southern oregon who would like to discuss selecting varieties and
growing tomatoes in this region.
We do custom tomato starts. This has been very successful and fun the last couple of
years; I love spreading the enjoyment of all the tomato varieties available, and everyone
loves the big, healthy plants.
Let me know how many and which tomato varieties you would like, by the middle of March.
We have a long list of varities available - see below, and in the printable version of
the online catalog. I'll consider adding a variety
if you have a special request (and talk to me early!). I can also help you decide, call
or email to talk and get advice.
I provide large, healthy plants that are ready to go into the ground in early May; it's
generally considered safe to plant tomatoes in the Rogue Valley on May 15 (although
we've had frosts after that date). Tomatoes are provided in used coffee and soft drink
cups. Incidentally, if you sometimes get disposable cups or know others who do, don't
throw them away, save them for me!
We also do some pepper starts - see the catalog or following
the tomatoes below. Peppers are more trouble than tomatoes, at least in this climate.
The starts can be picked up at the farm, we have one general pick up day in Ashland, or
arrangements can be made. In 2008, the price is $3.00 per plant.

Lisa and her tomato starts
1 Peron Sprayless (Territorial) OP – 68 days – Indeterminate. Bright red, 3 1/2 inch firm round fruit, sweet and delicious flavor – tops some taste tests. Strong, naturally disease resistant plant. Prolific, moderately vigorous, reliable in most climates. I’ve grown this since 2000, it’s one of my all time favorites. FWF all-time favorite
2 Medford (Territorial) OP – 80 days – Determinate. Bred at OSU especially for southern Oregon. Red, round firm fruit, sweet and delicious flavor, quite similar to Peron. Crack resistant. F1, V. FWF choice.
3 Brandywine (Synergy) OP Heirloom – 75 days – Indeterminate. Very large, pink fruits with the wonderful Brandywine flavor. A little slow to get started but loaded with fruit.
4 Stupice (Peters) OP – 55 days – Indeterminate. Pronounced “Stew-peach-ka”. Extra-early, cold-tolerant tomato. 2-4 oz salad size very very sweet, delicious red fruit, one of the first to harvest and one of the last in fall. Originated 1977 in Czechoslovakia. FWF all-time favorite.
5 Delicious (Territorial) OP – 80 days – Indeterminate. Very large, red tomato; Delicious holds the world record for tomato size. Tasty; said to have better flavor than most for cool nights. Crack resistant and meaty. Sometimes yields well, sometimes not. F1, V.
6 Tappy's Heritage (Baker) OP – 85 days – Indeterminate. Very large red tomato, reasonably early, moderately productive. May need good sunny summers for best results – some years this is delicious and tops the charts at the taste tests, other times it’s just a tomato.
7 Omar's Lebanese (Baker) OP – 80 days – Indeterminate. Very large pink-red tomatoes, said to be able to reach 3-4 pounds. Good flavor, late, fairly prolific. Said to have good tolerance to disease.
8 Pearson (Baker) OP Heirloom – Indeterminate. Sweet and tasty, medium large red tomato, similar to Peron and Medford. Popular in California in the 1950’s – supposed to be excellent in hot, semiarid areas and a good canner.
10 Lisa King (Peters) OP – 85 days – Determinate. Nice, large red tomato, good flavor. VFN resistances.
11 Rose de Berne (Synergy) OP – 78 days – Indeterminate. Medium large round pink fruit, excellent flavor under perhaps somewhat shaded conditions. Not terribly productive but worth it. Possibly limited seed. FWF choice.
12 Ruby Treasure (Peters) OP – 85 days – Determinate. Storage variety – very firm/hard tomatoes, medium small and intense red, very good flavor. Said to keep for 2-3 months if picked green and stored well. Keeping qualities don't compare to Longkeeper, but this one does have decent flavor.
13 Legend (Abundant Life) OP – 68 days – Determinate – Organic seed. Perfect smooth medium-large red round tomatoes. One of the earliest maturing slicing tomatoes; also produced late season. I was impressed by this one. Strong tolerance to late blight.
14 Siletz (Territorial) OP – 70-75 days – Determinate – parthenocarpic. Bred at OSU. From catalog: “Siletz is one of the most reliable slicing tomatoes you can grow. …a nice flush of 4-5 inch deep red fruit that weight up to 1 pound. The flavor-packed red tomatoes are nearly seedless. Expect several bursts of ripe tomatoes as the season progresses. “ F1, V.
15 Italian Market Wonder (Gourmet Seed Internat’l) OP – 75 days. Fresh market variety from Italy. “Very resistant to disease, large round fruits are beautiful and deep red.”
16 Long Keeper (Pinetree, Heirloom Seeds) OP – 78 days. Late, medium size, usually perfect fruit (sometimes they crack). Little flavor. Picked just unripe, they keep extremely well (have kept until following April). For best storage may want to plant out a little later than other tomatoes. FWF choice.
17 Sub-arctic plenty (Marianna’s) OP – 50 days – Determinate. Developed in the 1940s to supply air force stationed in Greenland with tomatoes. Heavy cropper, does not require staking or pruning.
18 Costuluto Genovenese (Territorial) OP – 85 days – Indeterminate. Smallish, ribbed deep red fruit. Perfect Italian tomato sauce flavor. Early, prolific, but prone to blossom end rot.
19 Polar Baby (Peter's Seed) OP – Determinate. Very small plant, extremely amazingly early – always at least a week before the next earliest ripe tomato, and I’ve tried many. Decent flavor, large cherry size. Determinate, so gives up by mid-July. FWF choice.
20 Shuntuksi Velican (Peace seeds) OP – Indeterminate. Russian Heirloom that makes very large fruits, to 3 pounds, irregular and convoluted.
21 Palestinian (Peace seeds) OP – Indeterminate. Heirloom with large irregular fruits, to 1½ pounds, exceptionally delicious flavor. Discovered in East Palestine, Ohio.
61 Stump O' The World (Tomatofest) OP – 105 days – Indeterminate. Potato leaf variety with good yield producing large, 1 lb., pink , very meaty fruit with superb flavor. Small seed cavity. New seed source (different from last year).
73 Pruden’s Purple (Marianna’s) OP – 80 days – Indeterminate. Potato leaf vines set out 10 to 16 oz. dark, dusty pink fruits, very similar to Brandywine, only 10 days earlier.
83 Giant Tree Tomato (Totally Tomatoes) OP – 80-90 days – Indeterminate. “Vigorous 10 to 18 ft. vines have strong stems and heavy thick leaves. Globe-shaped, pinkish-red fruits, with few seeds, are smooth, tender and weigh 1 to 2 lbs.” New for 2008..
Forest Fire (Peter's Seed) OP – 45-50 days – Determinate. Very early, 3" red fruit. New for 2008.
Floradade (Peter's Seed) OP – Indeterminate. Originally developed for commercial tomato production in Florida; disease resistance to Alternaria, Fusarium 1 & 2, Stempylium and Verticillium wilt, and is very saline tolerant and resistant to blossom end rot. New for 2008.
PURPLE AND BLACK VARIETIES
22 Purple Cherokee (Bountiful Garden) OP Heirloom – 75-85 days – Indeterminate. 8-12 oz., deep burgundy fruits with a green shoulder, brown/maroon flesh and green gel. All time best tasting tomato with an especially rich flavor. Tend to be less productive and disease susceptible, but worth it. Others report no cracking, disease tolerant, produce even in bad weather (drought, hot and dry, cool and wet). FWF all-time favorite.
23 Black Prince (Nichols) OP – 70 days – Indeterminate. Prolific, reliable, salad size fruits of deep garnet color, the flesh is dark red to brown with shadings of chestnut. Great flavor. Tend to crack. They seem fairly disease resistant. from Irkutsk Siberia. FWF all-time favorite.
24 Purple Calabash (Territorial) 75 days. Indeterminate. Medium to small, flattened, highly ribbed fruit, dark purple fruit with green shoulders. Productive. Strong, unusual and complex flavor, comparable to red wines. Some people love the flavor, others hate it.
25 Carbon (Baker) OP – Indeterminate. Delicious dark purple tomato, similar to Purple Cherokee but with a slightly different flavor, still that rich complex amazing dark tomato flavor.
63 Black from Tula (Tomatofest) OP Heirloom – 75 days – Indeterminate. New seed source, this was wonderful last year and the catalog description fits: “Russian heirloom from Tula; large black tomato, 3-4", slightly flattened, oblate, dark brown to purple fruit with deep green shoulders. Deliciously outstanding, rich, slightly salty, smoky-fruit flavor.”
Paul Robeson (Tomato Grower's Supply) OP Heirloom – 75 days – Indeterminate. Highly regarded black tomato, Russian heirloom named for a opera singer who was prominent in equal rights movement. New for 2008.
YELLOW, ORANGE AND WHITE VARIETIES
26 Big Rainbow (Bountiful Garden) OP Heirloom – 80-102 days – indeterminate. Huge (up to 2 pound) yellow fruit with red streaks. Very juice, somewhat soft, with amazing sweet flavor. More productive than most large tomatoes. Ribbed, some cracking, some catfacing. One of our favorites. FWF all-time favorite.
27 Persimmon (Territorial) OP Heirloom – 80 days – Indeterminate. One of the best tasting tomatoes, large bright orange (persimmon colored) smooth round tomatoes. Heirloom dates back to mid-1800s. FWF choice.
28 Dad's Sunset (Baker) OP – 90-100 days – Indeterminate. Large, bright orange smooth round tasty tomatoes, similar to Persimmon. Said to keep well.
29 Taxi (Territorial) OP 65-70 days – Determinate. Bright yellow, beautiful perfect tomatoes, mild non-acid flavor, juicy and sweet. Produces a heavy yield over a few weeks before most other tomatoes are ripe, but since it’s determinate, that’s it. Small plant.
30 White Wonder (Pinetree) OP – 85 days – Indeterminate. Medium large, “white” (really pale yellow). Good flavor, mild and sweet, but may be disease susceptible.
31 Sun and Snow (Peter's) OP – Indeterminate. From catalog: “Medium size slicer with iridescent yellow skin, snow white flesh at early ripening stage. Pleasantly flavored tomato is very white, whiter than white wonder. Indeterminate, heavily yielding, 4-8oz fruit. Resists some common diseases.”
32 Amana Orange (Baker) OP Heirloom – 90 days – Indeterminate. Very delicious, sweet, very large orange/yellow orange. Scant bearer, reasonably early. named for the Amana Colonies in Iowa.
64 Tangerine (Heirloom Seeds and Marianna’s) 83 days – Indeterminate. Large, tangerine-colored tasty fruits. This variety contains the tangerine gene, linked to exceptional high levels of lycopene, which is proven in scientific studies to protect the prostate.
65 Plum Lemon (Heirloom Seeds) OP – 75 days – Indeterminate. Bright yellow tomatoes, the exact color, size and shape of a lemon, right down to the pointed tip. Sweet, mild flavor.
74 Lillian's Yellow Heirloom (Tomatofest) OP Heirloom – 95 days – Indeterminate – Organic seed. From catalog: “Moderate yield potato-leaf tomato. A beefsteak heirloom from Robert Richardson, who received the seeds from Lillian Bruce of Manchester, Tennessee. Big indeterminate tomato plants that yield 10-16 oz., clear to orangey-yellow, fragile, thin-skinned, beefsteak tomatoes that have mildly sweet, citrusy flavors, juicy flesh and very few seeds.“ New for 2008.
75 Tobolsk (Tomatofest) OP Heirloom – 86 days – Indeterminate – Organic seed. From catalog: “originally from the Urals near the city of Tobolsk, Russia. 3-inch, round, light yellow to orange fruit with excellent sweet flavors. Perfect balance of acid for it's deliciously sweet flavors. A rare and precious new find
heirloom tomato find! “ 100 year old heirloom. New for 2008.
GREEN AND GREEN-MULTICOLOR VARIETIES
33 Green Zebra (Baker) OP – Indeterminate. Small/salad size tomatoes, chartreuse streaked with lime green. Full-bodied real tomato flavor. Good yield, but susceptible to blossom end rot. LISA SAVED SEED AVAILABLE FWF choice.
34 Aunt Ruby's German Green (SSE) OP Heirloom – 80 days – Indeterminate. From catalog: “Beefsteak fruits, 5"x4" in size and a pound or more. Sweet juicy flesh, refreshing spicy flavor.”
67 Ananas Noire (Territorial) OP – 85 days – Indeterminate. Uniquely beautiful and especially delicious! This was the talk of the 2007 tomato tasting – it was the best tasting and most beautiful. The very large tomatoes have skin in green, purple, orange and yellow, while the flesh is green with red and purple streaks. Delicious sweet and tangy flavor. Good yields. This is new seed source – seed from 2007, from a SSE Exchange, also available. FWF Choice.
76 Marz Round Green (Tomatofest) OP – 80 days – Indeterminate – organic seed. From catalog: “Regular-leaf tomato plants that yield a generous crop of 2-inch, round, lime-green, tomatoes with darker green shoulders. Wonderful, tangy-sweet flavors makes this tomato variety a great addition to a tomato salad. Rare.” New for 2008.
SMALL FRUITED - CHERRY AND GRAPE TOMATOES
35 Sungold (Territorial) Hybrid – 65 days – Indeterminate. This has won more taste tests than anything else – the small round light orange cherry tomatoes have a sweet, tangy, fruity flavor that’s just amazing. One of the earliest, productive, but does not produce very late into fall. Some splitting. Non-semenis hybrid. FWF all-time favorite.
36 Gabrielle (Twilley’s) Indeterminate. Meaty, firm, somewhat dry grape tomato, excellent flavor but the texture is what really makes them so enjoyable to eat. Fairly early, very prolific, smaller plant. These were originally hybrid seed, but the saved seeds come true to type. LISA’S SAVED SEED ONLY. FWF all-time favorite.
37 Mexico Midget (SSE) OP – 60-70 days – Indeterminate – Organic seed. Small ½” round cherry, round and juicy, strong excellent flavor. Mine came in at 63 days. FWF choice.
38 Black Cherry (Gourmet Seed Internat’l) OP – 71 days – Indeterminate – Organic Seed. Dark purple medium size cherry tomato with excellent flavor.
39 Green Grape (Nichols) OP – Indeterminate. Mild sweet large slightly elongated cherry tomato, greenish yellow; very highly rated in taste tests.
40 Sweet Orange II (Bountiful Garden) OP – 65-70 days – Indeterminate. Bright orange, slightly larger and darker than sungold, excellent flavor, very early (2nd to ripen after Polar Baby). Produces into late season. Reasonably productive. Little cracking. LISA’S SAVED SEED ONLY
41 Grape Tress (Peace Seeds) OP – 65-70 days – Indeterminate. Small pale yellow-orange cherry, extremely prolific, specially into late season and early frosts. Most are sweet and mild, a percent of the fruits have an delicious burst of citrus flavor. LISA’S SAVED SEED AVAILABLE
42 Gardener’s Delight (Bountiful Garden) OP – 50-80 days – Indeterminate. Small bright red cherry grows in clusters, prolific, excellent flavor. Mine came in at 64 days.
43 Peacevine cherry (Peace seeds) OP – 70-80 days. Small bright red cherry in tresses. Exceptionally good flavor, easy first place in cherry tomato taste and #2 overall (behind Ananas Noire). Very high in Vit. C cherry and gamma-amino butyric acid (a natural body sedative that calms jitters). Mine starting coming in at 64 days. FWF Choice.
44 Red Robin (Containerseeds) OP – Determinate. Very small plant designed for containers – maybe a foot high. Depending on how much you water, can be large bland cherry or small very tasty tomato. Extremely early. Limited seed.
68 Dr. Carolyn’s Pink (Tomatomania) OP – Indeterminate. Large, pink cherry tomato, flavor is somewhat acid but grows on you becoming sweet and complex. LISA’S SAVED SEED ONLY – END OF ROW
70 Tiny Dancer (Tomatomania) OP – Indeterminate. Small, white (really pale yellow) cherry tomato with wonderful sweet flavor. Surprise in packet of Sungolds in 2006, found and named by Janet of TomatoMania. LISA’S SAVED SEED ONLY – END OF ROW
71 Brown Berry OP – Indeterminate. Dark brownish purple medium size cherry, excellent flavor, slightly higher ranking in taste tests than black cherry
77 Mildred Cowger’s Belgian Cherry (Turtle Tree) OP – Indeterminate. Large red cherry tomato. Rare. Mine came in at 44 days. LISA’S SAVED SEED ONLY – BAGGED
78 Matt's Wild Cherry (Tomatofest) OP – 70 days – Indeterminate – Organic seed. From catalog: “Genetically linked to wild Mexican tomatoes from the state of Hidago. Tall, vigorous, rangy, indeterminate, regular-leaf tomato plant with thousands of 1/2 -inch red cherry tomatoes, borne in clusters. Fruits have a very sweet, delicious taste. Like snacking on candy. This tomato variety that should do well in cooler growing regions as it appears to have some frost resistance.” New for 2008.
PASTE AND PLUM TYPE VARIETIES
45 San Marzano 3 (Gourmet Seed Internat’l) OP – 90 days – Indeterminate From catalog: “indeterminate vining type for full season picking and larger fruits. … from Italy with all the flavor you could ever want!”
46 Federle (SSE) OP – 85 days – Indeterminate. Very large, long tapered and pointed paste tomatoes, very few seeds in small cavity, dense soft texture good for processing and salsa. Good flavor. Productive, very little problem with blossom end rot. FWF Choice.
47 Amish Paste (Bountiful Gardens) OP Heirloom – 75-82 days – Indeterminate. Very vigorous, aggressive plant – will take over garden. Large red somewhat pointed meaty fruits with good flavor. Some blossom end rot. Heirloom discovered in Wisconsin.
48 Opalka (Pinetree) OP – 83 days – Indeterminate. Especially long paste tomato. Not very productive for me. Less blossom end rot than most pastes. Recommended highly by others.
49 Viva Italia (Territorial) Hybrid – 85-90 days – Determinate. A beautiful bright red Italian sauce tomato with outstanding fresh flavor and good yields. As with most pastes, tends to get some blossom end rot. Said to be resistant to bacterial speck. F1, F2, V.
50 Health Kick (Nichols) Hybrid – 75 days – Determinate. Very large, firm, bright red paste tomatoes, little or no blossom end rot. Not much flavor. Contains 50% more lypocene than most tomatoes. Semenis variety. FWF All
time favorite.
51 Romeo (Peters) OP – Indeterminate. The biggest paste tomato I’ve ever seen – in the 1½ pound range. Dense, soft flesh, good flavor.
52 Oregon Star (Territorial) OP – 80-85 days – Determinate – Parthenocarpic. Very large fruit, can be 3” wide and 5” long. Developed by Dr. Jim Baggett at OSU. V.
53 Oroma (Territorial) OP – 70 days – Determinate – Parthenocarpic. Large tapered, meaty, easy to peel, keeps well. V.
54 Principe Borghese (Bountiful Garden, Tomato Grower's Supply) OP – 75 days – Determinate. The classic red Italian heirloom tomato for sun-drying, small and meaty with few seeds and plum-shaped. The vines are determinate but need support due to heavy branches of fruit. Mine were early (52 days), prolific and disease resistant but not as few seeds as listed.
79 Campbell’s 1327 (Totally Tomatoes) OP Heirloom – 69 days – Determinate. “Produces medium-early fruits that are oblate, smooth and bright red, with good interior color. Sets fruit well under unfavorable conditions, with tolerance to cracking and strong disease resistance. (Verticillium, Fusarium Wilt and Alternaria Stem Canker)” New for 2008.
Polish Linguisa (Nichols) OP Heirloom – 73 days – Indeterminate. Large (8-10oz) sausage shaped paste tomato. Heirloom from New York from the 1800s, originally from (surpise) Poland. New for 2008.
OTHER HYBRID VARIETIES
55 Master (Gourmet Seed Internat’l) Hybrid – 75 days – Indeterminate. beefsteak hybrid, recommended for greenhouse and outdoors. Medium-large, tasty fruits. Highly disease resistant.
56 Monte Carlo (Gourmet Seed Internat’l) Hybrid – 70 days – Indeterminate. Hybrid from France with excellent intense red & round tasty fruits.
57 Fourth of July (Burpee) Hybrid – 49 days – Indeterminate. Salad size, very early, very delicious red tomatoes. Prolific. Similar to Stupice, which I recommend over this one. Limited quantity.
59 Early Pick (Burpee) Hybrid – 62 days – Indeterminate. Excellent flavor, one of the best early tomatoes for sweetness. Mine were not so early. Resists verticillium and fusarium wilts. Limited quantity.
80 Superfantastic (Totally Tomatoes) Hybrid – 70 days – Indeterminate. Medium size red tomatoes, disease resistant (Verticillium, Fusarium Wilt and Nematodes). New for 2008.
81 Talladega (Totally Tomatoes) Hybrid – 60-67 days – Determinate. Medium size, deep red beefsteak type fruits. Bred for the southeast, can set in hot weather. Resists Verticillium, Fusarium Wilt and TSWV. New for 2008.
PEPPERS
1 New Ace bell pepper (Pinetree) - Hybrid – 62 days – This is the earliest, most reliable bell pepper I've grown, I’ve grown it for some years now. Regular size (not huge) peppers turning bright red when mature. FWF all-time favorite.
2 Cuneo bell pepper (Peace Seeds) - OP – Huge, bright orange, sweet, very thick walled bell peppers. slightly nippled end. Very impressive peppers. FWF choice.
3 Criolla bell pepper (Peace Seeds) - OP – Red bell pepper. Wasn’t so impressive here but friends in Talent reported that it was very productive for them.
4 King of the North bell pepper (SSE) - OP – 70 days – Red bell pepper. Large, cold tolerant. We had a bunch of ripe red peppers on this one (under a tarp) outside in the garden in November. FWF choice.
6 Sheepnose Pimento Sweet pimento (Abundant Life) - OP – 75-80 days – A pimiento, like a small bell pepper, the size of a large cherry tomato. Prolific, smooth barely lobed and perfect, ripen early to a bright red. Very sweet thick walled little peppers.
7 Jimmy Nardello Sweet frying pepper (Seeds of Change, SSE) - OP – 80-90 days – long, twisted and wrinkled peppers, red and sweet. Looks like it should be hot, but actually (reputedly) the sweetest non-bell. Good production.
8 Early Jalapeño (Containerseeds, Peter’s Seed) - OP – 65 days – The basic jalapeño, earlier than most. I’ve grown this for years, it’s reliable if not terribly impressive.
10 Mucho Nacho Jalapeño (Totally Tomatoes) - Hybrid – 78-80 days – Extra large jalapeño, supposed to be somewhat hotter. New for 2008.
13-14 Big Jim/Big Kim Anahiem type (Colak SSE exchange) - OP – Very large, long, reasonably meaty, Anaheim type peppers. Good production; healthy. Supposed to be medium hot; mine were fairly mild. There are two varieties that are very similar.
15 Long Cayenne (Pinetree) - OP – 70 days – long thin very hot peppers, for drying. Reliable and prolific, even under less amenable conditions.
16 Bolivian Rainbow - OP – 75-80 days – Decorative type of pepper, a different species than most peppers (Capsicum frutescens). 1” teardrop shaped peppers turn from purple to red to orange (or maybe more colors in a different order). Supposed to be very hot.
click here for printable Tomato catalog (pdf form)
click here for printable Pepper catalog (pdf form)
RED AND PINK VARIETIES
One of my two plants was crossed, so there’s a risk of a bluntly pointed hot pepper, but this is good enough to take the risk. FWF choice.
Notes on ordering (the fine print)
You can order by name or number, but names are better to avoid confusion, and note pepper and
tomato numbers duplicate. I have finite seed and finite space, so if you order late it's possible
I can't handle any more, or don't have sufficient seed for the varieties you want. After you
order, I'll send you a confirmation and you can be sure you'll get your plants. I start a few
extra in case of accidents. Tomato and pepper plants should be picked up by May 20. Unless
you've made specific arrangements, after that the tomatoes are open to being sold to someone else.
Most tomatoes and all peppers are grown from commerical seed which is true to type (hopefully!). Tomatoes do cross, so for saved seed or seed from trades, there's a risk that the tomato crossed
and the results might be a little unexpected. Peppers cross more readily.
The days to maturity are as listed by the seed vendor; it might be more or less where you are, and depending on the year, and may not be consistent between different seed vendors. Tomatoes from local seed companies are probably more reliable in our climate; Territorial, Bountiful Garden, Peter's, Peace Seeds, Tomatofest and and Synergy seeds are the most local. Nichols is local but I'm not sure how much they source or trial locally.